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	<title>Comments on: Telephone Internet and TV almost non-existent in Alta</title>
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	<description>An Englishman in Alta de Lisboa</description>
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		<title>By: Telecom</title>
		<link>http://uptownlisbon.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/telephone-internet-and-tv-almost-non-existent-in-alta/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>Telecom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to say that I think it&#039;s terrible how your area has been overlooked. I never could have imagined that a place so close to a large telecom district could have such weak internet options</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to say that I think it&#8217;s terrible how your area has been overlooked. I never could have imagined that a place so close to a large telecom district could have such weak internet options</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://uptownlisbon.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/telephone-internet-and-tv-almost-non-existent-in-alta/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bruno,
Thanks for the advice.. for now I still have TvCabo or Zon as it&#039;s now known. It works fairly well (again most of the time about 60% of advertised speed (18MBs)) though the bill is steep.
I&#039;m not sure about MEO as it&#039;s still very new technology and I&#039;ve been burnt with this type of deal before (artelecom) one thing that should be passed as legislation is that very new technology should not have any loyalty scheme fixed to it. 
Just last week some scruffy looking blokes and a green truck were putting Fibre optics in the ground in my street. No idea who they were working for though. I suppose we&#039;ll have to wait and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bruno,<br />
Thanks for the advice.. for now I still have TvCabo or Zon as it&#8217;s now known. It works fairly well (again most of the time about 60% of advertised speed (18MBs)) though the bill is steep.<br />
I&#8217;m not sure about MEO as it&#8217;s still very new technology and I&#8217;ve been burnt with this type of deal before (artelecom) one thing that should be passed as legislation is that very new technology should not have any loyalty scheme fixed to it.<br />
Just last week some scruffy looking blokes and a green truck were putting Fibre optics in the ground in my street. No idea who they were working for though. I suppose we&#8217;ll have to wait and see.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno</title>
		<link>http://uptownlisbon.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/telephone-internet-and-tv-almost-non-existent-in-alta/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Working in one of the named operators at the DSL department, I know the anguish that a lot of people suffer because of those remote exchanges you talk about. Trust me, there are a LOT of people in your situation. Those damn PT guys got the perfect way to assure their customer base. Relocate everyone from large phone exchanges to those smaller (basically, small closets lying in the side of the street) and fill them up with their own DSL equipment, denying (for lack of space and power requirements) other operators to have their own equipment. Mostly  everyone at Parque das Nações suffers the same, as well as a lot of people in highly populated areas in the city.

You didn&#039;t need to draw the line to the center of decisions. There&#039;s a PT exchange very close to you at Alameda das Linhas de Torres, in front of the Hospital (if I recall). That&#039;s way closer :)

My advice is for you to try out the new PT triple play offer (Meo) and see if it suits your needs. Have to admit they&#039;re using their dominant position in a wise way and managed to launch a strong product. Getting everything in one bill also helps reducing the overall cost, as strange at it may seems. And if you run into a commercial bastard, try to bargain. They have some flexibility to give you more for your plan if there&#039;s another operator around, as long as you mention that. 

If you&#039;re not into supporting PT further, stick to TVCabo for TV, get a decent phone plan from a mobile carrier and some sort of internet access from a mobile carrier as well because you don&#039;t mention it anywhere and there are already home routers you can use with their USB connectivity gizmos. It all depends on your needs and you should be the one choosing your tariff plan according to them. I&#039;m sure you&#039;re able to find a better way to spend your money than on PT.

AFAIK, the regulator doesn&#039;t plan on doing anything about the remote exchange thingie. IMHO, the regulator still has too many biased people who used to work for the incumbent operator. But if you feel left behind because of that, start a petition or something and you&#039;ll raise some attention. You&#039;ll have a better chance of waiting for some operator to get optic fiber around Alta de Lisboa than PT giving away the remote exchange wildcard. 

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working in one of the named operators at the DSL department, I know the anguish that a lot of people suffer because of those remote exchanges you talk about. Trust me, there are a LOT of people in your situation. Those damn PT guys got the perfect way to assure their customer base. Relocate everyone from large phone exchanges to those smaller (basically, small closets lying in the side of the street) and fill them up with their own DSL equipment, denying (for lack of space and power requirements) other operators to have their own equipment. Mostly  everyone at Parque das Nações suffers the same, as well as a lot of people in highly populated areas in the city.</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t need to draw the line to the center of decisions. There&#8217;s a PT exchange very close to you at Alameda das Linhas de Torres, in front of the Hospital (if I recall). That&#8217;s way closer <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My advice is for you to try out the new PT triple play offer (Meo) and see if it suits your needs. Have to admit they&#8217;re using their dominant position in a wise way and managed to launch a strong product. Getting everything in one bill also helps reducing the overall cost, as strange at it may seems. And if you run into a commercial bastard, try to bargain. They have some flexibility to give you more for your plan if there&#8217;s another operator around, as long as you mention that. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not into supporting PT further, stick to TVCabo for TV, get a decent phone plan from a mobile carrier and some sort of internet access from a mobile carrier as well because you don&#8217;t mention it anywhere and there are already home routers you can use with their USB connectivity gizmos. It all depends on your needs and you should be the one choosing your tariff plan according to them. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re able to find a better way to spend your money than on PT.</p>
<p>AFAIK, the regulator doesn&#8217;t plan on doing anything about the remote exchange thingie. IMHO, the regulator still has too many biased people who used to work for the incumbent operator. But if you feel left behind because of that, start a petition or something and you&#8217;ll raise some attention. You&#8217;ll have a better chance of waiting for some operator to get optic fiber around Alta de Lisboa than PT giving away the remote exchange wildcard. </p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro Veiga</title>
		<link>http://uptownlisbon.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/telephone-internet-and-tv-almost-non-existent-in-alta/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Veiga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I&#039;m experimenting the new PT&#039;s MEO service.</description>
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		<title>By: mafalda</title>
		<link>http://uptownlisbon.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/telephone-internet-and-tv-almost-non-existent-in-alta/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>mafalda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!
1 - Telephone? &#039;Home&#039;, an optimus product, we have to charge it with a minimum of 12,50 a month (spent in telephone calls). I have the traditional phone model, not the cell-like model. The best!
2 - TV ? Must see news all day, at night rather do somehing else. And as I&#039;ve got teens and they must study - no TV (only 4 national channels).
3 - NET? Canguroo, of course! 

This is my solution, happy with it, and not that expensive...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!<br />
1 &#8211; Telephone? &#8216;Home&#8217;, an optimus product, we have to charge it with a minimum of 12,50 a month (spent in telephone calls). I have the traditional phone model, not the cell-like model. The best!<br />
2 &#8211; TV ? Must see news all day, at night rather do somehing else. And as I&#8217;ve got teens and they must study &#8211; no TV (only 4 national channels).<br />
3 &#8211; NET? Canguroo, of course! </p>
<p>This is my solution, happy with it, and not that expensive&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://uptownlisbon.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/telephone-internet-and-tv-almost-non-existent-in-alta/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JC, 
Thanks for your reply, it&#039;s good to know that the whole area hasn&#039;t been forgotten. I suspect Cond. torre has though!
Maybe the post should be Condominios da torre and Sao gonçalo (judging by comments on Resident&#039;s portal) without broadband or something.
Do you know if the Clix users are zonas Clix? Do you know anyone who has anything else?
Thanks again
Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JC,<br />
Thanks for your reply, it&#8217;s good to know that the whole area hasn&#8217;t been forgotten. I suspect Cond. torre has though!<br />
Maybe the post should be Condominios da torre and Sao gonçalo (judging by comments on Resident&#8217;s portal) without broadband or something.<br />
Do you know if the Clix users are zonas Clix? Do you know anyone who has anything else?<br />
Thanks again<br />
Tom</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I live near av. Krus Abecassis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I live near av. Krus Abecassis.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://uptownlisbon.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/telephone-internet-and-tv-almost-non-existent-in-alta/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JC,
Thanks for your comment. Out of interest, where do you live in Alta?
Most of us have tried lots of times to get anything other than Netcabo or Artelecom and have failed. I, myself have tried about 6 or 7 times over the last three years and every time I get the answer that we have a &quot;central remota&quot; and it will not be possible to connect us. I suppose some lucky residents may live nearer Quita da Lambert and have access. To see more complaints of this sort just look through the forums on www.altadelisboa.net and you see that many have problems here and can ONLY get Netcabo or PT (and sometimes not even PT). 
If you live anywhere near Condominios da Torre I&#039;d like to get in touch so I can inform Anacom of the situation.
Thanks
Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JC,<br />
Thanks for your comment. Out of interest, where do you live in Alta?<br />
Most of us have tried lots of times to get anything other than Netcabo or Artelecom and have failed. I, myself have tried about 6 or 7 times over the last three years and every time I get the answer that we have a &#8220;central remota&#8221; and it will not be possible to connect us. I suppose some lucky residents may live nearer Quita da Lambert and have access. To see more complaints of this sort just look through the forums on <a href="http://www.altadelisboa.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.altadelisboa.net</a> and you see that many have problems here and can ONLY get Netcabo or PT (and sometimes not even PT).<br />
If you live anywhere near Condominios da Torre I&#8217;d like to get in touch so I can inform Anacom of the situation.<br />
Thanks<br />
Tom</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I live in Alta de Lisboa for almost 2 years, and I have ADSL service from PT since I moved here. And I also know some people that live here also, anda they have Clix or PT service for ADSL. 

I don&#039;t know if you&#039;re being correct with your statements about Alta de Lisboa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I live in Alta de Lisboa for almost 2 years, and I have ADSL service from PT since I moved here. And I also know some people that live here also, anda they have Clix or PT service for ADSL. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;re being correct with your statements about Alta de Lisboa.</p>
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